Harris appears to win debate
Statistician Nate Silver has written on his blog that there is “a strong consensus that Harris won the night.”
He notes that Bitcoin prices are down, “which also implies a loss for Trump.”
He adds:
Even the Fox News panel that I caught at the tail end of the evening seemed to concede that it was a win for Harris.
Harris won the CNN snap poll of debate-watchers 63-37. You can find polling on past debates here. On average, the winner of the debate has led in this poll by 18 points, so Harris’s 26-point win is toward the higher end of the range.
The majority of voters participating in a CNN focus group at Mercyhurst University in Erie, Pennsylvania, also said they thought Harris has won.
“The group was made up of 13 voters who had not yet made a decision on who to vote for before the debate. When CNN’s Phil Mattingly asked the group who won the debate, eight of the voters said Harris won the showdown. Mattingly noted that Erie is “the swingiest county” in the battleground state,” CNN reports.
Some conservatives, including Chris Rufo and Rod Drehrer conceded – with caveats –a win for Harris, too, posting on Twitter/X:
I think she's winning this. She comes across as normal , clear, and strong. Trump can't land a blow — he is blustering and unfocused. Yeah, ABC's moderators are biased, but you can't blame them for Trump's vanity and lack of precision.
— Rod Dreher (@roddreher) September 11, 2024
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I think she’s winning this. She comes across as normal , clear, and strong. Trump can’t land a blow — he is blustering and unfocused. Yeah, ABC’s moderators are biased, but you can’t blame them for Trump’s vanity and lack of precision.
— Rod Dreher (@roddreher) September 11, 2024
Harris wins slightly on points. This shouldn't change the race significantly either way, but she was able to de-risk this event and now the Right has lost the narrative that Harris is refusing media or engagement. Will be interesting to see if she goes silent again.
— Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo) September 11, 2024
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Harris wins slightly on points. This shouldn’t change the race significantly either way, but she was able to de-risk this event and now the Right has lost the narrative that Harris is refusing media or engagement. Will be interesting to see if she goes silent again.
— Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo) September 11, 2024
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After weeks of arguments over the format and rules, the debate aired live on ABC from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, a key swing state, with no audience in attendance and each candidate’s microphone muted while their opponent spoke.
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This was the second presidential debate this year for Trump, who also went up against Joe Biden in June. The latter’s devastating performance triggered an upheaval within the Democratic party that would ultimately push Biden to step down and position Harris to head the ticket, an outcome Trump both takes credit for and complains about at his rallies.
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With just 55 days until votes are tallied, Harris strived to highlight that she has a plan, and clearly responded to criticisms that she hasn’t shared enough details with voters about her platform and priorities. With focused rhetoric on planning for the future, building the middle class, and reframing her record on everything from immigration to climate, Harris was able to show voters how she hopes to lead.
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Analysts, meanwhile, were watching Trump’s demeanor and clarity. The former president repeated frequent rhetoric from his rallies – including widely disputed claims about abortion, crime, and his belief that he won the 2020 election – but shared little about how he would address key problems Americans are facing.
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Beyond their differences in policy positions, the candidates also displayed diverging visions of the country. Trump promised his base to restore what he sees as the glory of the past, and Harris heralded the hope of a brighter future.
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My colleague Gabrielle Canon has rounded up the key takeaways:
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Donald Trump sidestepped a direct question at Tuesday evening’s presidential debate on whether he wanted Ukraine to win in its war against Russia, underlining concerns that a second Trump administration could suspend military support for Kyiv.
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Asked directly by ABC’s David Muir on whether or not he wants Ukraine to win the war, he did not answer the question and said simply: “I want the war to stop.” He focused on the war’s human toll by saying that people were being killed “by the millions,” a number that hasn’t been confirmed by any country or international organisation.
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He went on to say that if elected he would negotiate a deal even before becoming president and suggested the United States was “playing with World War three.”
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Kamala Harris quickly pounced on his remarks, saying that if Trump had been president during the invasion, then “Putin would be sitting in Kyiv with his eyes on the rest of Europe”, and that in such a scenario the Russian president would move on to Poland.
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“Why don’t you tell the 800,000 Polish Americans right here in Pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the sake of favour and what you think is a friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch.”
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Trump’s remarks will renew concerns in Kyiv that he will cut off military and economic aid toward the country if he is reelected at a crucial moment in the war, when Kyiv is desperate for troops, financial support and for military hardware, much of it supplied by the United States and its Nato allies.
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Statistician Nate Silver has written on his blog that there is “a strong consensus that Harris won the night.”
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He notes that Bitcoin prices are down, “which also implies a loss for Trump.”
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He adds:
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Even the Fox News panel that I caught at the tail end of the evening seemed to concede that it was a win for Harris.
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Harris won the CNN snap poll of debate-watchers 63-37. You can find polling on past debates here. On average, the winner of the debate has led in this poll by 18 points, so Harris’s 26-point win is toward the higher end of the range.
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The majority of voters participating in a CNN focus group at Mercyhurst University in Erie, Pennsylvania, also said they thought Harris has won.
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“The group was made up of 13 voters who had not yet made a decision on who to vote for before the debate. When CNN’s Phil Mattingly asked the group who won the debate, eight of the voters said Harris won the showdown. Mattingly noted that Erie is “the swingiest county” in the battleground state,” CNN reports.
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Some conservatives, including Chris Rufo and Rod Drehrer conceded – with caveats –a win for Harris, too, posting on Twitter/X:
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I think she's winning this. She comes across as normal , clear, and strong. Trump can't land a blow — he is blustering and unfocused. Yeah, ABC's moderators are biased, but you can't blame them for Trump's vanity and lack of precision.
— Rod Dreher (@roddreher) September 11, 2024
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Harris wins slightly on points. This shouldn't change the race significantly either way, but she was able to de-risk this event and now the Right has lost the narrative that Harris is refusing media or engagement. Will be interesting to see if she goes silent again.
— Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo) September 11, 2024
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Harris also appeared to address what British political strategists termed “hero voters”, or voters who once voted Democrat but have since switched to the Republicans, or who might be lured from a party that they feel has veered too far to the right.
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Keir Starmer’s former pollster, Deborah Mattinson, is to meet Kamala Harris’s campaign team in Washington this week to share details of how Labour pulled off its stunning election win by targeting key groups of “squeezed working-class voters who wanted change”.
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Writing in the Observer, Mattinson said many of the concerns of crucial undecided voters will be similar on both of sides of the Atlantic.
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“These voters – often past Labour voters – had rejected the party because they believed that it had rejected them. Often Tory voters in 2019, they made up nearly 20% of the electorate. Labour’s focus on economic concerns, from affordable housing to job security, won them back.
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During the debate, in response to Trump stating, falsely, that Harris wanted to take guns away, Harris said that both she and Walz were gun owners.
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Harris said in 2019 that she owned a gun for personal safety reasons. At the time, CNN reported that an aide has said she kept the handgun safely locked up.
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Toward the end of the debate, Harris said, “I don’t ask if you’re a democrat, I ask if you’re ok.”
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Earlier, she said:
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So for everyone watching who remembers what January 6th was, I say we don’t have to go back. Let’s not go back. We’re not going back. It’s time to turn the page. And if that was a bridge too far for you, well, there is a place in our campaign for you. To stand for country. To stand for our democracy. To stand for rule of law. And to end the chaos. And to end the approach that is about attacking the foundations of our democracy ‘cause you don’t like the outcome.
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Meanwhile Fox News said it proposed to hold a second presidential debate in October, adding it sent letters to the campaigns for both Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris and Republican rival Donald Trump before Tuesday night’s debate.
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A spokesperson for Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris’ campaign said on Tuesday night that Harris and her Republican rival Donald Trump should do a second debate in October.
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In the spin room shortly after the debate, Trump wouldn’t commit to the rematch the Harris campaign has already offered, saying, “I have to think about it” and that he might do it “if it was on a fair network.”
n “The reason you do a second debate is if you lose, and they lost,” he told Fox News host Sean Hannity. “But I’ll think about it.”
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In 2012, researchers at Northwestern University and the University of Maryland tried to establish the correlation, if any, between celebrity endorsements and votes. They used Oprah Winfrey’s endorsement of Barack Obama ahead of the 2008 Democrat primary to examine whether it had any effect on the polls.
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The researchers concluded that Oprah Winfrey’s endorsement was worth about a million votes for Obama, who beat his main primary challenger, Hillary Clinton, by about 270,000 votes in the states used in the sample.
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Swift is a popular figure nationwide; especially among Democrats. An October 2023 Fox News poll found that 55% of voters overall, including 68% of Democrats, said they had a favourable view of Swift. Republicans were divided, with 43% having a favourable opinion and 45% an unfavourable one.
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Cayce Myers, a professor of public relations at Virginia Tech said, Swift’s endorsement “may have an impact on the election because it may encourage younger Gen. Z fans to vote.”
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While Celebrity endorsements do not necessarily translate into meaningful turnout,” he said, Swift’s endorsement was going out to particularly large fan base, was focussed on women’s rights, an issue that favours Democrats, and that the post, “has the potential to raise awareness among younger voters who might be paying less attention to the presidential election.”
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Speaking to supporters after the debate, Kamala Harris appeared to be in her stride.
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“But we have a lot of work to do,” she said. “And tonight I think highlighted for the American people what’s at stake.”
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Harris, addressing supporters now, clearly has swag and knows she won the debate pic.twitter.com/6c0vigKy6U
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) September 11, 2024
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Tim Walz reacted to Taylor Swift’s endorsement in the middle of an interview with MSNBC:
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Tim Walz learns about Taylor Swift's endorsement of Harris in real time on MSNBC pic.twitter.com/KVsyH9v87d
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The Minnesota governor said her post on Instagram was “eloquent” and called on Swifties, as her fans are known, to get on board with Harris’s campaign.
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Donald Trump has made a surprise appearance in the spin room at the debate venue in Philadelphia, where he told reporters he felt good about his performance against Kamala Harris, but might not debate her again.
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“It was my best debate ever, I think,” the former president said. “It showed how weak they are, how pathetic they are, and what they’re doing to destroy our country, on the border, with foreign trade, with everything.”
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But it wasn’t good enough to do again, he said: “Now she wants to do another one, because she got beaten tonight, but I don’t know if we’re going to do another one.”
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Kamala Harris is “ready for a second debate” in October, her campaign said.
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“Under the bright lights, the American people got to see the choice they will face this fall at the ballot box: between moving forward with Kamala Harris, or going backwards with Trump,” Harris-Walz campaign chair Jen O’Malley Dillon said in a statement. “That’s what they saw tonight and what they should see at a second debate in October. Vice-president Harris is ready for a second debate. Is Donald Trump?”
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This second debate would come in addition to an October face-off between vice-presidential candidates Tim Walz and JD Vance.
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Donald Trump repeated misinformation about the result of lawsuits contesting the 2020 election results.
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The former president said that “no judge looked at” lawsuits he and allies filed about irregularities in the election. “They said we didn’t have standing. A technicality. Can you imagine a system where a person in an election doesn’t have standing? The president of the United States doesn’t have standing. That’s how we lost,” Trump said.
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That’s misleading – some lawsuits were dismissed due to a lack of standing, meaning that those who brought the lawsuits didn’t have a stake in the results. Others were decided on merit. Judges found in some cases that evidence provided was speculative, or failed to show fraud.
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Taylor Swift, the world-famous pop superstar, just announced on Instagram that she will vote for Kamala Harris, giving the vice-president perhaps her biggest celebrity endorsement yet.
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“I will be casting my vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz in the 2024 Presidential Election. I’m voting for @kamalaharris because she fights for the rights and causes I believe need a warrior to champion them. I think she is a steady-handed, gifted leader and I believe we can accomplish so much more in this country if we are led by calm and not chaos. I was so heartened and impressed by her selection of running mate @timwalz, who has been standing up for LGBTQ+ rights, IVF, and a woman’s right to her own body for decades,” she wrote.
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ABC News then heard from JD Vance, the Ohio senator who is Donald Trump’s running mate, and asked him for clarity on whether the former president supported national restrictions on abortion.
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The debate’s moderators tried to get an answer out of Trump, but he instead talked about how he was proud that states were deciding the issue, while falsely claiming that Democrats supported infanticide.
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“I think the president’s been very clear that he doesn’t want a national abortion ban. I think in some ways he finds the question a little bit ridiculous, because why are we asking him about legislation that’s never going to actually happen, and why he would veto it or not veto it, when he says very explicitly that he doesn’t support a national abortion ban and he wants these policies to be made by the states,” Vance said.
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He then criticized Harris for debate rhetoric he described as empty, saying:
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You had Kamala Harris effectively echoing platitude after platitude after platitude. The American people can’t pay their grocery bills on platitudes. They can’t put their kids in a house on platitudes. And Kamala Harris had a lot to say but very little actual substance behind it for how she’s going to lower grocery prices, secure the border and make housing more affordable in this country.
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She’s been the vice-president for three-and-a-half years. She can’t run on a record, and she apparently can’t run on much of her plans either, because it’s just a lot of slogans and not a whole lot of substance.
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In an interview with ABC News after the debate, Tim Walz, the Democratic candidate for vice-president, said Donald Trump came off as unhinged.
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“I have to tell you, if it weren’t so dangerous, it reminds you of an old man yelling at the clouds. That was his thing: ‘Get off my yard,’” said Walz, the governor of Minnesota.
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“So, I think country can see what happened tonight. We’ll keep pushing forward. That’s the way that the country wants to see our politics be – she laid it out clearly. Donald Trump brought nothing tonight but anger, resentment.”
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While Harris held off on attacking Donald Trump in her closing statement, the former president did not do the same, instead seizing on Harris’s years in the vice-presidency to argue she would be an ineffective leader.
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“So, she just started by saying she’s going to do this, she’s going to do that. She’s going to do all these wonderful things. Why hasn’t she done it?” Trump asked.
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He went on:
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She’s been there for three-and-a-half years. They’ve had three-and-a-half years to fix the border. They’ve had three-and-a-half years to create jobs and all the things we talked about. Why hasn’t she done it? She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want to do, but you haven’t done it and you won’t do it because you believe in things that the American people don’t believe in.
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Trump restated his downbeat view of the state of the country, which is a major part of his pitch to voters:
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We’re a failing nation. We’re a nation that’s in serious decline. We’re being laughed at all over the world. All over the world, they laughed. I know the leaders very well, they’re coming to see me. They call me. We’re laughed at all over the world. They don’t understand what happened to us as a nation.
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He concluded by calling Harris “the worst vice-president in the history of our country”.
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And with that, the debate concluded.
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We’re now at the closing statements of the debate, with Kamala Harris up first.
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Casting herself as a unifier, she argues her background as a prosecutor made her the right person to lead the country:
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I will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedoms, including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do. I’ll tell you, I started my career as a prosecutor. I was the DA, I was an attorney general, United States senator and now vice-president. I only have one client: the people.
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And I’ll tell you, as a prosecutor, I never asked a victim or a witness, are you a Republican or a Democrat? The only thing I ever asked them, are you OK? And that’s the kind of president we need right now, someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first. I intend to be a president for all Americans and focus on what we can do over the next 10 and 20 years to build back up our country by investing right now in you, the American people.
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Donald Trump doubled down on his claims that the Central Park Five, a group of Black teenagers who were arrested in connection with the rape and assault of a white female jogger in 1989 and convicted based on police-coerced confessions.
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Back then, Trump called for the execution of these five children. When Kamala Harris brought up Trump’s stance, he dug in: “They pled guilty … They badly hurt a person, they killed a person, ultimately.”
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All of them were exonerated after a convicted murderer confessed to the crime in 2002. In 2014, they were awarded a $41m settlement.
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In 1989, before any of the boys had faced trial, Trump paid a reported $85,000 to take out advertising space in four of the city’s newspapers, including the New York Times, calling for their execution. The headline read: “Bring Back The Death Penalty. Bring Back Our Police!” and above his signature, Trump wrote: “I want to hate these muggers and murderers. They should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes. They must serve as examples so that others will think long and hard before committing a crime or an act of violence.”
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As my colleague Oliver Laughland reported back in 2016, Trump’s charge against the Central Park Five was a precursor to his divisive populism:
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Donald Trump may have been a transformational force in the GOP, but he’s followed in the footsteps of many Republicans who came before him by saying his Democratic opponent wants to take away guns.
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“She has a plan to confiscate everybody’s gun,” Trump alleged at one point in the debate.
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A few minutes later, Harris mentioned that she is a gun owner – something she doesn’t bring up often.
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“This business about taking everyone’s guns away – Tim Walz and I are both gun owners. We’re not taking anybody’s guns away. So stop with the continuous lying about this stuff,” the vice-president said.
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As the debate winds into its final stretch, both candidates have stayed true to form.
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Donald Trump has doubled down on his tried-and-true talking points – including a barrage of misinformation about immigration and immigrants, abortion and election security.
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But Kamala Harris appears to have rattled him in several moments, including when she made light of his tendency to reference fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter, or to set off on difficult-to-follow tangents about windmills.
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Though the candidates were muted while the other was speaking, Harris also made good use of her side of the screen – putting out a range of expressions to show skepticism, concern and dismissal.
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Days after Harris launched her campaign, Trump alleged something that was shocking, even by his standards: that the vice-president, who is of South Asian and Black Jamaican heritage, was not actually African American.
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“Why do you believe it’s appropriate to weigh in on the racial identity of your opponent?” moderator David Muir asked.
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“I don’t, and I don’t care. I don’t care what she is. I don’t care. You make a big deal out of something, I couldn’t care less, whatever she wants to be is OK with me,” Trump replied.
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Muir then asked Harris for her thoughts. She replied:
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Honestly, I think it’s a tragedy that we have someone who wants to be president who has consistently, over the course of his career, attempted to use race to divide the American people. You know, I do believe that the vast majority of us know that we have so much more in common than what separates us, and we don’t want this kind of approach that is just constantly trying to divide us, and especially by race.
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She made a point to bring up Trump’s involvement in pushing for the prosecution of the Central Park Five. Here’s more on that:
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The debate just resumed after a short break, and the first question, to Trump, was about Ukraine.
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“You have said you would solve this war in 24 hours. You said so just before the break tonight. How exactly would you do that? And I want to ask you a very simple question tonight: do you want Ukraine to win this war?” moderator David Muir asked.
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The former president’s response wasn’t exactly a yes:
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I want the war to stop. I want to save lives that are being uselessly. People being killed by the millions. It’s the millions. It’s so much worse than the numbers that you’re getting, which are fake numbers.
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Muir pressed: “Just to clarify the question, do you believe it’s in the US best interest for Ukraine to win this war?”
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“I think it’s the US best interest to get this war finished and just get it done, all right, negotiate a deal, because we have to stop all of these human lives from being destroyed,” Trump said.
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Donald Trump claimed that crime is way up in the US – and he’s wrong.
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Crime is actually down. Data from the FBI found that violent crime decreased during the Trump administration, spiking in 2020 during the pandemic, and continuing to trend downward afterwards.
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Preliminary data from the FBI found that violent crime was down 6% in 2023, and 15% in the first quarter of 2024.
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Violent crime decreased throughout most of Trump’s presidency, according to FBI data that uses information provided by law enforcement agencies. However, it spiked in 2020 during the Covid-19 pandemic. It has trended downward since 2020 across the US, nearing pre-pandemic levels in 2022. Preliminary FBI data for 2023 shows that violent crime overall was down another 6% that year.
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Though the data is preliminary, it includes numbers from 80% of the law enforcement agencies in the country.
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The debate has now shifted into foreign policy territory, and the first question, to Harris, was how she would convince Israel and Hamas to agree to a ceasefire.
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The vice-president didn’t quite answer the question, instead vowing to defend Israel, while acknowledging the toll taken on civilians by Israel’s invasion of Gaza:
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Now, Israel has a right to defend itself … and how it does so matters. Because it is also true, far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed, children, mothers. What we know is that this war must end … And the way it will end is we need a ceasefire deal, and we need the hostages out, and so we will continue to work around the clock on that. Work around the clock, also understanding that we must chart a course for a two-state solution, and in that solution, there must be security for the Israeli people and Israel, and an equal measure for the Palestinians.
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She added: “I will always give Israel the ability to defend itself, in particular, as it relates to Iran, and any threat that Iran and its proxies pose to Israel.”
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Donald Trump continued to insist that he won the 2020 election, despite moderator David Muir pointing out that judges across the country had thrown out his claims of fraud.
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That gave Kamala Harris an opening to attack him in terms that the former The Apprentice host would well understand:
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Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people, so, let’s be clear about that. And, clearly he is having a very difficult time processing that. But we cannot afford to have a president of the United States who attempts, as he did in the past, to upend the will of the voters in a free and fair election.
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And I’m going to tell you that I have traveled the world as vice-president of the United States, and world leaders are laughing at Donald Trump. I talked with military leaders, some of whom work with you, and they say, you’re a disgrace. And when you then talk in this way in a presidential debate and deny … you have lost because you did, in fact, lose that election, it leads one to believe that perhaps we do not have, in the candidate to my right, the temperament or the ability to not be confused about facts. That’s deeply troubling, and the American people deserve better.
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Trump repeated one of his usual falsehoods: that abortions are taking place in the ninth month of pregnancy.
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In fact, fewer than 1% of abortions are performed past 21 weeks of pregnancy; when these abortions do take place, they often occur in medical emergencies or cases of fetal anomalies.
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Trump also suggested, at multiple points, that abortions take place after birth. That would be infanticide, and it is illegal in all 50 states.
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The FBI is still not sure why a young man opened fire at a Trump rally in Pennsylvania in July, wounding the former president and killing an attendee. But at the debate, the former president has said that Harris and other Democrats calling him a “threat to democracy” sparked the attack.
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“I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me. They talk about democracy, I’m a threat to democracy, they’re the threat to democracy,” Trump said, before bringing up the investigation into Russian influence that bedeviled him during his first term.
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Moderator David Muir then cut him off, saying: “We have a lot to get to.”
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Donald Trump has spouted off a number of false claims about immigration and immigrants.
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To start, he said immigrants are “taking over the towns … They’re going in violently.”
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That’s false. Although some US cities have seen an influx of immigrants, most have arrived legally, with work permits or with authorization to stay while their cases are worked out in the courts.
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There has been no widespread violence in these cities and overall, immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than the US-born according to multiple, extensive studies, including from the conservative Cato Institute.
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Trump also referenced immigrants “eating the dogs” in Springfield, Ohio, which was live fact-checked by the debate moderators. Republicans have sometimes substituted dogs for cats when repeating this misinformation. Here’s some reporting from the Guardian looking into the salacious, and completely false claim:
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The misinformation about migrants in Springfield comes as the Trump campaign has sought to make immigration a key issue, tying Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to the towns unprepared for migrants arriving via the southern border. Springfield’s mayor, Rob Rue, went on Fox to say the Biden administration was to blame for “failing cities like ours and taxing us beyond our limit”.
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The city has seen a large number of migrants from Haiti, which has both helped the economy there with staffing concerns while also stretching the capacity of some services like clinics and schools, the New York Times reported. A Biden administration policy provided temporary protected status to hundreds of thousands of Haitian migrants, who have left their home country because of ongoing violence. Some estimates say as many as 20,000 people from Haiti have come to the city, the Times said.
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In perhaps the most bizarre moment of this debate so far, Trump repeated an unsubstantiated claim that immigrants are eating pets in an Ohio town, forcing the moderator to tell him that there is no proof of that.
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“In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs, the people that came in, they’re eating the cats … they’re eating the pets of the people that live there. And this is what’s happening in our country, and it’s a shame,” the former president said.
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The story of immigrants allegedly eating pets has circulated in rightwing media in recent days, and been repeated by Trump’s running mate JD Vance.
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“You bring up Springfield, Ohio, and ABC News did reach out to the city manager there. He told us there have been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community,” moderator David Muir told Trump.
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Here’s more on this most strange story:
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Donald Trump, as he always does, boasted that the US experienced its “best” economy under his administration, while Kamala Harris noted that Trump left the US with “the worst unemployment since the Great Depression”.
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They’re both wrong – Trump by a lot, and Harris by a shade.
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Though unemployment spiked to its worst levels since the Great Depression in the immediate aftermath of the pandemic, it had dipped back by the time Trump left office.
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Meanwhile, Trump’s “best economy” line has been the bane of fact-checkers since he was in office. “Best” is a very vague term – but by several measures, including GDP, unemployment and the trade deficit – the economy was far from its peak.
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Here are some final numbers from his term, compiled by FactCheck.org:
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The economy lost 2.7m jobs. The unemployment rate increased by 1.7 percentage points to 6.4%.
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After-tax corporate profits went up, and the stock market set new records. The S&P 500 index rose 67.8%.
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The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The US trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 36.3% from 2016.
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The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.
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Harris then explained her support for reinstating Roe v Wade, in much clearer terms than Trump used:
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Now, in over 20 states, there are Trump abortion bans, which make it criminal for a doctor or nurse to provide healthcare. In one state, it provides prison for life. Trump abortion bans that make no exception, even for rape and incest, which, understand what that means, a survivor of a crime of violation to their body does not have the right to make a decision about what happens to their body.
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Next, that is immoral, and one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree the government and Donald Trump certainly should not be telling a woman what to do with her body.
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She vowed to sign legislation restoring the overturned precedent, if Congress approves it.
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Linsey Davis, a moderator of the debate, pressed Trump to explain his policy on abortion, noting that he has changed his views repeatedly.
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Trump responded by going through how various states have handled the issue, and claiming, falsely, that in some states, babies are killed after they are born (which is murder, and illegal everywhere).
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Then, he thanked the supreme court justices who voted to overturn Roe v Wade, though misstated the number – five voted to do away with the precedent, not six. Trump said:
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Each individual state is voting. It’s the vote of the people. Now, it’s not tied up in the federal government. I did a great service in doing it. It took courage to do it, and the supreme court had great courage in doing it, and I give tremendous credit to those six justices.
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As expected, Trump denied knowledge of Project 2025, a 900-page plan for the aggressive rightwing reform of nearly every aspect of the federal government.
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Though Trump has tried repeatedly to distance himself from the platform, which seeks to strip away reproductive rights, LGBTQ+ rights and voting rights, his policies align heavily with Project 2025.
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As my colleague Rachel Leingangreported: “Trump well knows the Heritage Foundation and has spoken at their events, and [Kevin] Roberts, Heritage’s leader, has previously said he and Trump have talked several times. Project 2025’s authors and supporters contain a ton of former Trump administration officials.”
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As the two candidates squabbled over the economy, Harris quickly brought up Project 2025, the rightwing blueprint to remake the US government authored by former Trump officials and people connected to him.
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“I’m going to tell you all on this debate tonight, you’re going to hear from the same old, tired book, a bunch of lies, grievances and name-calling. What you’re going to hear tonight is a detailed and dangerous plan called Project 2025 that the former president intends on implementing if he were elected to again,” Harris said.
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Trump replied by saying he has no involvement with the document:
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I have nothing to do with Project 2025. That’s out there. I haven’t read it. I don’t want to read it, purposely. I’m not going to read it. This was a group of people that got together. They came up with some ideas, I guess, some good, some bad. But it makes no difference. I have nothing to do. Everybody knows I’m an open book. Everybody knows what I’m going to do, cut taxes very substantially and create a great economy like I did. Before, we had the greatest economy, we got hit with a pandemic, and the pandemic was, not since 1917 where 100 million people died, has there been anything like it.
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The first question, for Harris, was: “Do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?”
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“I was raised as a middle-class kid, and I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people, and that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy.”
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She also made a point to attack Trump’s tax policy:
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My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5tn to America’s deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that that Trump sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.
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Kamala Harris and Donald Trump have just taken the stage at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia.
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It’s their first time ever meeting, and they did shake hands after Harris approached Trump’s podium. The debate has begun.
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Here are the rules of this evening’s debate, according to the host, ABC News:
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Here’s more on what we can expect whenTrump and Kamala Harris take the stage in just a few minutes:
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Kamala Harris’s motorcade has arrived at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, where she’ll debate Donald Trump in about 12 minutes.
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The Trump campaign is already playing the refs and suggesting that, if the moderators fail to sufficiently challenge Kamala Harris on her record, “you can throw the whole debate out”.
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Doug Burgum, the governor of North Dakota and a Trump surrogate, told reporters in the debate spin room that ABC News’s moderators have “a responsibility to the American people, and part of their responsibility is to actually ask Vice-President Harris real questions and tough questions. This is historic. She’s a historic candidate but for a different reason.
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“She’s historic because she’s 55 days away from the election and she’s done one short interview and has never done a debate and this may be the only one. I think America is going to be outraged if we find out a few hours from tonight that she got through a debate and nobody asked her tough questions about her past positions and why her anonymous aides are saying no, she doesn’t believe in all this anymore on issues that are critical, whether it’s energy policy, the border, whether fentanyl should be legal.”
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Burgum, who was on Trump’s shortlist for running mate until senator JD Vance got the nod, added: “It’s not just about plastic straws that she supported. She needs to be asked tough questions tonight, and that’s one of the things that I’m going to be looking for. If the moderators don’t come through, then you can throw the whole debate out because it was a three-on-one tilted playing field from the start.”
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Burgum called for close scrutiny of Harris’s past record, saying: “She’s a dangerously progressive liberal from California, and people should understand that when they’re voting. Is that a direction she wants to take the country? Because the last time I checked, California’s losing population. One of the states where people are leaving, voting with their feet.”
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Donald Trump arrived in Philadelphia earlier today for his debate withKamala Harris.
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Photographers captured him and his entourage deplaning:
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The debate takes place at Philadelphia’s National Constitution Center. Here are some scenes from the area:
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Now from Olivia Troye, a former homeland security and counter-terrorism adviser to Mike Pence, the vice-president under Donald Trump.
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Troye is holding a press conference as a surrogate of the Harris campaign before the debate, and was asked whether she fears retribution from the former president because of her staunch opposition to him.
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Troye highlighted a social media post by Trump on Saturday threatening to jail “corrupt” election officials if he wins. The former president wrote: “Those involved in unscrupulous behavior will be sought out, caught, and prosecuted at levels, unfortunately, never seen before in our Country.”
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Troye told reporters in Philadelphia: “Just this weekend, he threatened to throw election workers in jail. Actually wanted law enforcement to go after them. Think about that. Take a step back and think about what that means for our elections right now, when you have a former president of the United States who seeks the Oval Office again and he’s advocating attacks on our election officials.”
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She added: “By the way, they’ve already suffered from threats – we saw that in Georgia especially. Even some of the threats to Governor Kemp who just simply held the line and told the truth and stood by the 2020 election, which was a free and fair election.
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“When you have someone that’s speaking in that way, I think, yes, he has said there’ll be retribution. I have no doubt there’ll be retribution against myself and others who don’t fall in line with exactly his type of cult.”
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Earlier, we described this race as “neck and neck”. We mean that literally – our polling average shows the two candidates tied nationally, at 47.3% support each.
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Of course, America’s use of the electoral college means that seven swing states – Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin – are expected to decide this election.
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For an idea of how Trump and Harris are faring in each, check out our poll tracker:
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Whether you’re in the United States or abroad, we have a handy guide that’ll tell you how to tune in to this evening’s debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, and that covers its ground rules.
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Read it here:
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Good evening, US politics blog readers, and thanks for joining us as we cover tonight’s debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, which we expect to be a milestone in what has already been a historically tumultuous presidential race. The two contenders will square off for 90 minutes at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, with ABC News hosting and their anchors David Muir and Linsey Davis moderating. The Democratic and Republican candidates are meeting as polls indicate a neck-and-neck race between them, particularly in the seven swing states expected to decide the winner.
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This will be the first debate between Harris and Trump. Joe Biden and Trump faced off in June, but the president put in such a poor showing that it sparked a plunge in his poll numbers and a Democratic pressure campaign that contributed to his decision to end his bid for a second term. Though Harris has been vice-president since 2021, she has done only one formal interview since launching her presidential campaign, and polls have indicated that voters are looking to find out more about her plans, if elected. This debate could present her with the opportunity to do that – while, for Trump, he’ll be given the chance to make the case for his return to the White House.
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Here’s what we’ll be watching out for:
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Will either candidate deliver a knockout blow to the other? Biden certainly received one when he encountered Trump just over two months ago, though he was far from the only candidate to emerge from a debate with their campaign hanging by a thread.
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Further reading:
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Harris targets Trump for falsehoods on abortion and immigration in fiery debate
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Fact-checking Trump’s debate claims: from abortion to Project 2025
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Harris-Trump debate: key takeaways
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Jonathan Freedland and Nikki McCann Ramirez of Rolling Stonediscuss the debate and what happened in our podcast, which you can listen to here:
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And in other news you should know if you’re just tuning in: Taylor Swift has endorsed Kamala Harris for president, in a post on Instagram published minutes after the US presidential debate, saying the Democratic candidate would be the “warrior” to fight for the rights and causes she believes in.
“As a voter, I make sure to watch and read everything I can,” Swift wrote on Instagram to her 283 million followers late on Tuesday, adding: “I will be casting my vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz in the 2024 presidential election”.
“I think she is a steady-handed, gifted leader and I believe we can accomplish so much more in this country if we are led by calm and not chaos.”

In her statement, Swift encouraged her fans to register to vote.
Swift also addressed AI-generated images shared by Donald Trump in late August that falsely depicted Swift and her fans endorsing his campaign for president.
Key takeaways from the debate
If you’re just tuning in: presidential hopefuls Donald Trump and Kamala Harris went head to head on Tuesday night in their first – and potentially only – debate before voters head to the polls on 5 November. The candidates went into the event virtually tied in the polls with just weeks to convince a small but mighty minority of unsure voters on how to cast their ballot.
After weeks of arguments over the format and rules, the debate aired live on ABC from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, a key swing state, with no audience in attendance and each candidate’s microphone muted while their opponent spoke.
This was the second presidential debate this year for Trump, who also went up against Joe Biden in June. The latter’s devastating performance triggered an upheaval within the Democratic party that would ultimately push Biden to step down and position Harris to head the ticket, an outcome Trump both takes credit for and complains about at his rallies.
With just 55 days until votes are tallied, Harris strived to highlight that she has a plan, and clearly responded to criticisms that she hasn’t shared enough details with voters about her platform and priorities. With focused rhetoric on planning for the future, building the middle class, and reframing her record on everything from immigration to climate, Harris was able to show voters how she hopes to lead.
Analysts, meanwhile, were watching Trump’s demeanor and clarity. The former president repeated frequent rhetoric from his rallies – including widely disputed claims about abortion, crime, and his belief that he won the 2020 election – but shared little about how he would address key problems Americans are facing.
Beyond their differences in policy positions, the candidates also displayed diverging visions of the country. Trump promised his base to restore what he sees as the glory of the past, and Harris heralded the hope of a brighter future.
My colleague Gabrielle Canon has rounded up the key takeaways:
You may be wondering what happened on the debate stage during the commercial breaks.
According to CBS press pooler Sara Cook, during the second break, Harris made notes while Trump left the stage:
The second the stage hand said they were clear for a 4 minute break, Trump turned towards the exit, gave a big sigh through closed lips, and walked off stage without looking at Harris.
From the time the moderators announced they were going to break, Harris began writing on her notepad. She wrote continuously for the entire first two minutes of the break, occasionally bringing one hand to her chin or brushing hair behind her ear.
She then reviewed what she wrote for the next minute, making a few tweaks, before putting the pen down and looking out around the room with her hands folded in front of her. She took a sip of water from a glass placed under the lectern.
Trump walked back onstage 30 seconds before the end of break. He did not look at Harris, she did not look at him. Harris made small adjustments to her collar. Both candidates looked straight ahead until the program restarted.
Again, no words were spoken.”
Trump refused to say whether he wants Ukraine to win war against Russia
Andrew Roth
Donald Trump sidestepped a direct question at Tuesday evening’s presidential debate on whether he wanted Ukraine to win in its war against Russia, underlining concerns that a second Trump administration could suspend military support for Kyiv.
Asked directly by ABC’s David Muir on whether or not he wants Ukraine to win the war, he did not answer the question and said simply: “I want the war to stop.” He focused on the war’s human toll by saying that people were being killed “by the millions,” a number that hasn’t been confirmed by any country or international organisation.
He went on to say that if elected he would negotiate a deal even before becoming president and suggested the United States was “playing with World War three.”
Kamala Harris quickly pounced on his remarks, saying that if Trump had been president during the invasion, then “Putin would be sitting in Kyiv with his eyes on the rest of Europe”, and that in such a scenario the Russian president would move on to Poland.
“Why don’t you tell the 800,000 Polish Americans right here in Pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the sake of favour and what you think is a friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch.”
Trump’s remarks will renew concerns in Kyiv that he will cut off military and economic aid toward the country if he is reelected at a crucial moment in the war, when Kyiv is desperate for troops, financial support and for military hardware, much of it supplied by the United States and its Nato allies.
Back to the map shared earlier of Google trends during the debate. The only state where abortion was not the top search term was Ohio where the top term was “immigration”.
Moderator David Muir had asked about immigration – Trump’s favourite topic – but when Harris wrapped her remark with a jab about Trump’s crowd sizes, the former president could not help but take the bait. First, Trump claimed without evidence that Harris paid people to attend her rallies. Clearly wound up, he began to ramble – about immigrants eating people’s pets.
“In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs, the people that came in, they’re eating the cats,” said Trump. “They’re eating the pets of the people that live there.”
Trump’s claims about immigrants allegedly killing and eating the pets of US citizens originated, apparently, with a viral video of a resident of Springfield, Ohio, claiming before the town’s council that immigrants in the community had killed ducks from a local park for food. The unsubstantiated and inflammatory video was shared widely on rightwing accounts, evolving quickly into a viral meme featuring AI-generated images of Trump surrounded by cats and dogs, appearing to protect them.
Here is that graphic again:
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In his response on abortion, Trump made extremely erroneous claims, including that “the plan is, as you know, the vote is, they have abortion in the ninth month. They even have, and you can look at the governor of West Virginia, the previous governor of West Virginia, not the current governor, who’s doing an excellent job, but the governor before. He said the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby. In other words, we’ll execute the baby.”
Trump was resurfacing a claim he made in October 2020, based on comments made in 2019.
Here is Reuters’ fact check from the time:
A meme shared by over 70,766 on Facebook misrepresents comments made by Virginia Governor Ralph Northam in 2019 when he was asked about a bill that, among other things, aimed to ease restrictions for third trimester abortions in the state. The meme falsely suggests that Northam is in favor of legalizing infanticide by leaving out some key contextual references in his remarks.
Northam was referring to “third-trimester abortions” that are done in cases “where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that’s non viable” he said. “If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother,” Northam stated.
The Guardian’s Nick Miller has taken a look at how google searches by US state changed during the debate – almost universally, the top search turned to abortion as the candidates spoke:
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Harris appears to win debate
Statistician Nate Silver has written on his blog that there is “a strong consensus that Harris won the night.”
He notes that Bitcoin prices are down, “which also implies a loss for Trump.”
He adds:
Even the Fox News panel that I caught at the tail end of the evening seemed to concede that it was a win for Harris.
Harris won the CNN snap poll of debate-watchers 63-37. You can find polling on past debates here. On average, the winner of the debate has led in this poll by 18 points, so Harris’s 26-point win is toward the higher end of the range.
The majority of voters participating in a CNN focus group at Mercyhurst University in Erie, Pennsylvania, also said they thought Harris has won.
“The group was made up of 13 voters who had not yet made a decision on who to vote for before the debate. When CNN’s Phil Mattingly asked the group who won the debate, eight of the voters said Harris won the showdown. Mattingly noted that Erie is “the swingiest county” in the battleground state,” CNN reports.
Some conservatives, including Chris Rufo and Rod Drehrer conceded – with caveats –a win for Harris, too, posting on Twitter/X:
I think she's winning this. She comes across as normal , clear, and strong. Trump can't land a blow — he is blustering and unfocused. Yeah, ABC's moderators are biased, but you can't blame them for Trump's vanity and lack of precision.
— Rod Dreher (@roddreher) September 11, 2024
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I think she’s winning this. She comes across as normal , clear, and strong. Trump can’t land a blow — he is blustering and unfocused. Yeah, ABC’s moderators are biased, but you can’t blame them for Trump’s vanity and lack of precision.
— Rod Dreher (@roddreher) September 11, 2024
Harris wins slightly on points. This shouldn't change the race significantly either way, but she was able to de-risk this event and now the Right has lost the narrative that Harris is refusing media or engagement. Will be interesting to see if she goes silent again.
— Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo) September 11, 2024
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Harris wins slightly on points. This shouldn’t change the race significantly either way, but she was able to de-risk this event and now the Right has lost the narrative that Harris is refusing media or engagement. Will be interesting to see if she goes silent again.
— Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo) September 11, 2024
Harris appeared to address ‘hero voters’
Harris also appeared to address what British political strategists termed “hero voters”, or voters who once voted Democrat but have since switched to the Republicans, or who might be lured from a party that they feel has veered too far to the right.
Keir Starmer’s former pollster, Deborah Mattinson, is to meet Kamala Harris’s campaign team in Washington this week to share details of how Labour pulled off its stunning election win by targeting key groups of “squeezed working-class voters who wanted change”.
Writing in the Observer, Mattinson said many of the concerns of crucial undecided voters will be similar on both of sides of the Atlantic.
“These voters – often past Labour voters – had rejected the party because they believed that it had rejected them. Often Tory voters in 2019, they made up nearly 20% of the electorate. Labour’s focus on economic concerns, from affordable housing to job security, won them back.
During the debate, in response to Trump stating, falsely, that Harris wanted to take guns away, Harris said that both she and Walz were gun owners.
Harris said in 2019 that she owned a gun for personal safety reasons. At the time, CNN reported that an aide has said she kept the handgun safely locked up.
Toward the end of the debate, Harris said, “I don’t ask if you’re a democrat, I ask if you’re ok.”
Earlier, she said:
So for everyone watching who remembers what January 6th was, I say we don’t have to go back. Let’s not go back. We’re not going back. It’s time to turn the page. And if that was a bridge too far for you, well, there is a place in our campaign for you. To stand for country. To stand for our democracy. To stand for rule of law. And to end the chaos. And to end the approach that is about attacking the foundations of our democracy ‘cause you don’t like the outcome.
Fox news proposes second debate in October
Meanwhile Fox News said it proposed to hold a second presidential debate in October, adding it sent letters to the campaigns for both Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris and Republican rival Donald Trump before Tuesday night’s debate.
A spokesperson for Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris’ campaign said on Tuesday night that Harris and her Republican rival Donald Trump should do a second debate in October.
In the spin room shortly after the debate, Trump wouldn’t commit to the rematch the Harris campaign has already offered, saying, “I have to think about it” and that he might do it “if it was on a fair network.”
“The reason you do a second debate is if you lose, and they lost,” he told Fox News host Sean Hannity. “But I’ll think about it.”
Appearing nervous at first, Harris gained momentum when she was asked about abortion.
Trump, who appeared calm at first, grew more irate as he again and again turned questions back onto the topic of immigration.
Here is Harris on abortion, a topic on which she has been notably strong. Much of her response was delivered while looking into the camera, as she did often during the debate, so that it appeared that she was speaking directly to voters:
Let’s understand how we got here. Donald Trump hand-selected three members of the United States Supreme Court with the intention that they would undo the protections of Roe V. Wade. And they did exactly as he intended. And now in over 20 states there are Trump abortion bans which make it criminal for a doctor or nurse to provide health care. In one state it provides prison for life. Trump abortion bans that make no exception even for rape and incest. Which understand what that means. A survivor of a crime, a violation to their body, does not have the right to make a decision about what happens to their body next. That is immoral. And one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree the government, and Donald Trump certainly, should not be telling a woman what to do with her body.
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I have talked with women around our country. You want to talk about this is what people wanted? Pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term suffering from a miscarriage, being denied care in an emergency room because the health care providers are afraid they might go to jail and she’s bleeding out in a car in the parking lot? She didn’t want that. Her husband didn’t want that. A 12 or 13-year-old survivor of incest being forced to carry a pregnancy to term? They don’t want that. And I pledge to you when Congress passes a bill to put back in place the protections of Roe V. Wade as president of the United States, I will proudly sign it into law. But understand, if Donald Trump were to be re-elected, he will sign a national abortion ban. Understand in his project 2025 there would be a national abortion ban. Understand in his project 2025 there would be a national abortion — a monitor that would be monitoring your pregnancies, your miscarriages. I think the American people believe that certain freedoms, in particular the freedom to make decisions about one’s own body, should not be made by the government.